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[Tom Warwick] So here we are back for another year and another episode of Inside TYPO3. Kendall, it’s nice to see you again. I’ll be honest, I nearly forgot how to plug the microphone in. It’s been so long since we last spoke. Did you have a good Christmas and did you have a happy new year?

[Kendall Litton] I did. I was sick for most of the holiday though, unfortunately. So a lot of downtime, forced downtime, I should say. So both good and bad. Yeah, no, it’s felt like a long time since we got together to do this. I mean, T3Con feels like it was six months ago now. So catching back up to do this special episode is nice. Feeling refreshed in the new year. What about you?

[Tom] Yeah, pretty much the same. Nice quiet Christmas as well. But no, back to normal. And I think we’ve got a really, really good episode to kick-start the new year. I’ve got some news to share on the latest TYPO3 releases, as well as updates on our community extensions. And as well as this, I’ll be talking about some of the upcoming events coming to the TYPO3 community. And as well as that, I’ve got some news on the latest projects that have been given funding or granted funding by the TYPO3 Association as well. Kendall, I know you arranged for an interview during T3Con and I believe we’re going to play it today. Can you tell us a little bit more about it?

[Kendall] Yeah, so I had the privilege to sit down one-on-one with Marc Thiele, who is the founder and organiser of the very special conference that takes place in both Berlin and Düsseldorf called beyond tellerrand. And yeah, we were able to carve out a few minutes at T3Con between everything going on and all the different sessions, including his, to have a conversation, talk a little bit about independent community events, organisation.

And one of the things that I’ll say is, you know, to preface the episode is that we spent a bit of time talking about feedback from people attending the events and how valuable and important that is, you know, for anyone who’s involved in this industry. And one thing that stuck out to me was he talked about how making things accessible, even if there wasn’t someone in the audience with that particular need, it can benefit other people. So I won’t give it away, but there is a portion where we talk about that. And all of that to say, I just wanted to link it back to something that you and I talked about earlier this week, Tom, with Luana, which was keeping the podcast in English. And I think that’s something I just wanted to touch on before we go into the episode, because it also is closely aligned with that theme, which is we decide to keep the podcast in English despite having a pretty big German-speaking audience because we want to keep it inclusive and international to anyone who might be listening in different parts of the world who can speak English and that’s the connecting language.

[Tom] So absolutely. I think we should maybe try and arrange a competition as well where we can find out which listener lives the furthest away from central Germany as well. But that’s right. And another time maybe. But I think Marc’s talk was really, really good. And if to summarise quickly, Marc is a professional events organiser and he organises two really big events in Germany. And you could definitely tell that he does it for a living because his talk was really, really good. And as someone who’s in the process of trying to arrange a TYPO3 themed event in the UK, shall we say, his talk at T3Con had a lot of really useful tips and tricks for people who are looking to organise their first event as well. So that’s what we got up ahead. We’ve got a busy year generally in the TYPO3 community this year as well. So I’m going to kick off with some release information and some extension news. Let’s start with release news. This month saw the release of TYPO3 version 13.4.3 and 12.4.25. Both of which are security releases and it’s recommended that all users upgrade as soon as possible. We also saw ELTS releases this month for TYPO3 version 9, 10 and version 11 which switched over to ELTS in late October last year. Moving on to community extensions. Content blocks for a minor release with version 1.1.4 and support for PHP 8.4. Varnish also saw a minor release with version 7.0.1 and support for PHP 8.4. Version 13, if Apache Sola was released in late December with support for TYPO3 version 13. The Crowding extension saw a major release with version 3 and support for TYPO3 version 12 and 13. And finally a true Christmas miracle. The Save and Close extension saw a major release with support for TYPO3 version 13.

Next we have events. The TYPO3 marketing team have a sprint on the 12th and 13th of February in Düsseldorf at the TYPO3 GMBH headquarters. Places are still available as well if you are interested. Then we’re off to Venlo for TYPO3 Camp Venlo between the 14th and 15th of February with a special city tour taking place before the camp on the 13th. You can find out more about these events and more at typo3.org slash community slash events. Back in November the TYPO3 Association launches budgeting process for quarter 1 2025. The community were asked to vote on which projects they’d like to see receive funding. Out of the seven submissions the following ideas were approved. The incorporation of the XH Profiler graphical interface for D-Dev, a one-click TYPO3 playground for demo and local installations, enhanced internal link visualisation for TYPO3 version 13, and an interactive guide to TYPO3’s back-end. To track the status of each of these events be sure to check out typo3.org over the course of the next two months. Next up as promised is Kendall’s interview with Marc Thiele recorded live at T3Con24.

[Kendall] I’m here with Marc Thiele, the founder and organiser of beyond tellerrand, a conference that takes place in both Düsseldorf and Berlin. And we’re here at T3Con where he gave a talk yesterday on the main stage about why independent community events matter. So Marc, if you could give us a little bit of a background about how you got started in this industry, what beyond tellerrand is all about, and then we’ll go into your talk and how it pertains to the TYPO3 community.

[Marc] Okay. I try to keep it short because I run events for 24 years now and the background actually is like already planted in my early computer days when I used to see 64. And it was like in kind of a demo group and we went to all those demo parties and those had a similar approach as conferences. You gather, you do something together like different disciplines meet and there’s a project you’re working on, in this case a demo. You would then hand the demo over to like the stage and there would be a competition and you might win a prize or not, but you did something together which I always liked in a way like how the community worked and the friendship and all this kind of stuff. And then after a while, after many years later, I went to my very first conference on myself, which was in Amsterdam in 2001 and I felt as if I would be back home. So I had like the feeling of like, wow, that is like the good old days on the demo parties, right? Like this conference, it was a flash conference. So flash was the tool, which also was quite limited like the C64 was as well.

And there were so many people from many different disciplines like illustrators, there were type of people and there were filmmakers, animators, and they all used the same tool and for a different reason.

And so I felt like, well, that’s great. I want to do this as well. And that’s how I got started into running conferences back then, not as my single thing to do, my only thing, but more as one of the many things I did. And then in late 2000s, roughly 2008, and somehow something in my head grew that told me go fully into conferences. So just do this because you enjoy bringing people together. You enjoy creating a platform, an atmosphere, a surrounding for them where they feel safe and welcome and then gather people from different disciplines. And that’s why the name Beyond Telleran plays into it. In Germany, you say, but in Telleran Schön, which means look beyond the edge of your plate.

So it’s kind of look, think outside the box, which doesn’t match it really, because I think outside the box is usually something you say if you have a certain problem and you have to think outside the box, whereas beyond tellerrand is more general, it’s more like widen, broaden your horizon. Think a bit further than you usually do. Look, I mean, you can literally say like if you have food on your plate, it’s tasty. You say like, well, I have tasty food, but there’s like tasty food left and right as well. So that’s the idea of the event. And again, I really like to see how something that you do with like running an event, create something where so many different people meet and exchange. And like I really love to watch it from the back of the room and just see people mixing and mingling and chatting and laughing. I really like it.

[Kendall] So when you talk about events and why you got started in it, you said that it felt like home going to that first conference. And I think we’ve all been to conferences where we’ve either felt like we’re at home and there are a lot of familiar faces and it’s a nice rejoining of a community. We’ve also been to events where they’re big, you know, grandiose. You feel a little faceless, lost in the mix and they both, you know, serve different purposes. But so as we’re talking about TYPO3 and really at the heart of what the community is, would be community events which are, you know, organised by people in the community. They’re obviously done with love with attention. And I myself have the first introduction I had to TYPO3 even before working was going to a camp. So I went to the camp in Dresden and I was just overwhelmed with the organisation and the attention to detail and how warm it felt, you know, as an outsider from the coming into the community for the first time. So in your talk yesterday, you talked about why independent events matter. And so I’m curious from your perspective looking at things like TYPO3 beyond tell around like what is the value and especially after the pandemic still bringing people together? What have you seen that has changed with that? And are people still interested in coming together like that outside of the TYPO3 bubble, but just in general? Yeah.

[Marc] Yeah. So to get to this question, I need to tell a little anecdote when I was organising a little road show for someone, a company through England and we started in Brighton and there was January 2022, I’d say or 23. I’m not sure I mix them up the years. But I think it doesn’t matter anyways, but it was one of the early ones that we did and roughly 60 people have been there. And there were two speakers and we’re like a little mixer afterwards, like with drinks and pizza. And one person came to me and said “You know what? It’s great that you did this because I forgot how lovely it is to come together.”

And that’s a point I want to want to point out. People have forgotten during the pandemic how important and how nice it is to meet people and meet people in real. And what the difference is, in my opinion, any random things that can happen would never ever happen in front of your screen. Workshops. Yes. Learning. Yes.

Maybe even a conference and watching the talks would work. But it isn’t the same because what I think what what makes a any meeting, not just a conference, a conference, any meet up really important is any random any random person you meet. You would not meet in front of the screen by bumping into that person during getting your coffee or a drink or anything. Right. And you start talking and out of that chat might come like a project or like the next, like whatever idea or, you know. So I think that is something that we need to emphasise on again with those meetups conferences, whatever kind of events that the interconnection between people is really important. And that’s something that’s so how do you say and rich and like it is so valuable. And I think it’s a value that is hard to sell upfront. But as soon as you have been there, you understand. Oh, wow. Yes, I get it. You know, and nowadays even more like as we as I said in my talk, also, it’s like we are so so addicted to those screens of our phones or computers, which is like a great tool to work with. And it makes a lot of things easy communication, easy. But again, like it lets us forget like how important it is to meet in real life and exchange and and communicate.

[Kendall] I myself have worked remotely for quite some time now since the pandemic. And I forget as well how important it is, especially to get outside of my bubble and meet people again. And I think something that was really unique for my colleague Paunas and I was that our our boss, Luana suggested that we come to the camp in Dresden as our first introduction to TYPO3. So before starting work or getting to know anybody behind a screen.

[Marc] Good idea.

[Kendall] Yeah. So we came to the camp and we went to the warm up dinner, which is always a really nice. Aspect of the TYPO3 events and the camps and we got to meet everybody. And so starting work that following month felt so much warmer and accepting because I already had met everyone and spent multiple days with them in workshops and dinners. And so I definitely see the value in that. And as we’re talking about the value, I was curious on your opinion. So you mentioned in your speech yesterday that it’s hard to make the selling point for employers sometimes to go to an event, especially a conference that maybe isn’t. Necessarily, you know, the selling points aren’t exactly straightforward as to why they should attend from a business perspective. So I’m curious as an organiser, what advice would you give to employees that want to participate in an independent community event and how could they kind of sell that to their boss as being beyond learning certain professional skills or networking for one specific purpose?

[Marc] It’s a tough, tough one to do because I think again here if the employee has been at the event and comes back pumped and energised and motivated to like comes on and has a new technique, a new idea, a new project, a new whatever. And it’s like just eager to do something right. Like wants to create and do so. It’s very productive, I think. The problem really is how do you sell this upfront? How would you like tell someone I promise they come back energised and they will do stuff right like.

So it is a tough one. I try to create a convince your boss PDF. But it’s really, really hard for me because again, I especially my event is not on a specific topic. So I cannot promise if that person learns anything.

But again, I think it is like also like in terms of human relationships really important to to interact and I don’t know. So I my advice would be like as soon as people want to go there and you can you can afford that not like just financially but also like in terms of like having them leaving the office for two or three days. Possibly do that with like the whole teams like two, three, four people and they have all the same experience. So they they how do you say.

So it’s a team experience and that like enriching the the kind of like bonding also between them. It’s a real great team exercise. Last year in Berlin, there was a team of 10 people from the UK and they celebrated their 10th birthday of the of the team of that office, which is wonderful because they it’s a strong team bonding. It’s like a really great thing to do. They did this together. They have the experience together. They have something they will talk about like for four years and after that after that, you know, and what’s the price for that? That’s really hard to put on right like it’s so what can you charge for that? What what what the value be if the employer would know what they gain from that, right? So yeah, it’s really tough if you can help me with this. I’d be super happy.

[Kendall] No, I think that’s exactly the point though. I mean for us the TYPO3 team worked on a convince your boss letter as well. And so there were a lot of brainstorming meetings about talking about what would be the value proposition for us to convince someone to come to T3 con and it really went beyond, you know, the straightforward. Aspects of it that you would expect like that you will learn this this and this it was also about your coming to a community event. You’re going to be networking. You’re going to be meeting with different people, you know, even from the Ministry from the government. And so we really tried to make it more of an experience and that and also with team building, you know, come with your colleagues have an experience and then you can yeah build off of that. But yeah, I think it’s I think it’s really tough. And for us, you know, as well, we host the developer days. We host T3 con and you know for myself as a non-developer going to the developer day still had a lot of value for me as a non-developer because I got to listen in on the on the talks for sure. But also it was a lot about being with the community and and getting myself out there and sharpening some of those those social skills that were lost during the pandemic, which is a real thing.

[Marc] It is, it is and it has been worked beforehand. I mean, it’s not easy. Sometimes you don’t get your ass up, right? You sit on your on your couch and go like, I was this friend calling me and he divided me to a beer and you go like, ah, not today. But you know, it’s always if you go then oftentimes I’m happy. I’m happy that I did because I haven’t seen that person for a long time. And it’s kind of the same effect with like events. It is work to get get up and go like, well, okay, I commit to it. I go to it. I have to travel to it. I have to organise my trip and all this kind of stuff. But again, like the payoff is like really I think a wonderful experience most of the times. And no matter to which conferences I go as my topic is beyond teller and I often go to like more technical conferences as well. But I reason quite recently I’ve been in one at one in Vilnius where it was all about book design and poster design and stuff. So completely different again. Right.

But it’s interesting because those people if they have a story to tell no matter about what it could be a baker or butcher, it’s great. They have a story to tell listen and it’s always rewarding to listen to it. And no matter if you are if you want to be a baker or not like great insights sometimes and surely you can take the one other thing that they talk about for your work. Right. Like in terms of like approach or attitude.

So I think any any kind of event driven with a passion thinking or by a passion thinking person person has got absolute value really. And as you say, like you were talking about like smaller meetups as well like that that are done by the community. And often that is like the kind of infectious thing that happens at events. People go like, oh, that’s wonderful. I want to do something like this. And then they start a meetup in their local city where they gain 10 people, 20 people. But they do something great for the community. And that’s like spreading out. So they say they do gather like another 20 people and maybe one of those again does this in his city. And that’s like a good effect. And I’ve seen that happening a lot of times that those meetups pop up after people had been to a big event, a conference.

[Kendall] And so as we’re talking about, well, let me go back.

I was recently at the TYPO3 camp in Vienna. And this is going to segue into my next question and something that you touched on yesterday in your talk, which is I was I was having a wine with the organisers. We did a wine tour in the vineyards of Vienna the night before, which was a really nice touch to going to Vienna. And the camp was really wonderful for me as a non-German speaker being the TYPO3 community. It’s the one international camp of the year. Well, they also do one in Venlo, but this is regarded as the international camp English in Vienna. So I was very much looking forward to be able to understand the sessions completely.

But when I was sitting with the with the organiser, Volker, he asked me, do you have any feedback on the language being English? Because what we’ve learned is that most of the people who are attending are speaking German. And do you see the value in it still being in English? And I said, yeah, I do, because it still opens up the possibility to the surrounding regions and to other people to come from. There were people from Poland, from Hungary, you know, so it does have this inclusivity to it. But what I’m curious, because you mentioned feedback yesterday and as an organiser, you said that most of the feedback you’ve received is always positive or from a good place that people are just wanting to give you the feedback to really improve the event. And I’m curious, what is the best piece of feedback you’ve ever received from someone or one that really stuck with you?

[Marc] That’s a tough one. What’s the best piece of advice?

Small things sometimes where you don’t think of what would what would it be?

What would it be? Well, one thing I learned, for example, it’s not really has been advice from someone, but feedback more.

So one year I started to have a captioner, live captioner who captions the talks and next to the screen, it would be text on a big display. And I, to myself, thought, well, I don’t have too many people that are having hearing problems that are deaf. So why should I do it? So I was asking the audience afterwards, I was like, what is this helpful for you also? And everybody was like, yes, absolutely. Because, yeah, we understand English, but sometimes people speak fast or have a certain accent. And then this totally helped. And I thought to myself, well, it’s not needed, right? I don’t need it actually, because it’s quite expensive. And if I don’t have any deaf people in the audience, why should I do it? But I stuck with it nowadays. I have it, it’s like standard now. So it’s always dead, like Andrew from Scotland who like types in like what he hears over there in Scotland or sometimes he’s on site.

But that’s something I wouldn’t have done if I wouldn’t have asked for feedback for it. Right. So again, some things for you might be obvious, but you are wrong.

[Kendall] That’s what I mean, I think I always watch movies with subtitles on and even in English. So I completely understand and it’s really difficult, especially, yeah, for non-native speakers to be listening to a speech where someone’s speaking quickly. So that that’s a really nice touch. And it also touches on one of the topics at T3Con, which is accessibility. So it is just baked into the experience that you already have that accessibility for someone who may be hard of hearing, who may not be hard of hearing, but just has a hard time comprehending. Exactly. Yeah. So I think that’s a great piece of feedback for us. Some of the feedback that we’ve received about it’s funny because most of the feedback was that the social nights needed to be at the end of the events so that people could celebrate properly that it didn’t kind of stop the event, you know, when you have it in the middle. Then all of a sudden everyone has had this really intense night and then you have to go back to talks and the attendance wasn’t as lively, so to speak. So anyway, this is all really valuable feedback for us as well. And I’m not even planning the events, but hearing the feedback from the community and how people are eager to let us know how we can improve is always so valuable.

[Marc] And even sometimes if it’s tough where you have thought about it and you won’t do it for a certain reason, then you have the chance to explain why you do what you do in the way you do it. You know that people are sometimes they don’t see the other like see you and that you have thought through and you go like, no, no, I don’t do this because of. And they were like, oh, yeah, sure. Makes sense. Okay. Yeah, but sorry. And it’s like, no, no, no, don’t be sorry. It’s great. I mean, again, what I said is like if people identify with the event and they connect, they own it a little bit and they deserve to be able to give feedback to you. They come back, right? They come. They return back like every every year or maybe every other year, no matter like even for the first time, like if they have feedback for you, listen. And if you think, now, that’s not valuable for me, maybe explain it, give them a reason why you don’t do what they suggest or you have thought about it. And that’s the reason why you don’t do it. I think that’s always fantastic.

[Kendall] But it’s a dialogue and it makes someone feel a part of it and it adds the human element to it again, as opposed to being at a very massive conference where you’re one of many people in attendance. It really makes you feel like you’re connected to the event. And I will close by asking you touched on this yesterday in your talk as well, but you said that one thing you wished people knew about events is that especially for someone who’s independently organising them as you are that with the tickets, you know, the longer you wait on them, the more of a, I don’t know if I’d say burden, but it becomes very stressful on the organiser. And so I was curious if you could explain a little bit about that. So just that people would understand from our perspective too, you know, I’ve been monitoring how the T3 con tickets were doing and it really comes down to the last week or so that you’re getting a full picture of what it’s going to look like. So if you could just elaborate a little bit on what you talked about yesterday and what’s important to know about that.

[Marc] So especially if someone starts running an independence, I said like, so what I mean by that is also some individual is setting up the conference and is paying for the conference. It’s not a company that has allocated a certain budget for the conference. And they say like, well, that’s part of our marketing budget or whatever. But take me as an example and many, many other ways like Remy Sharp and Brighton or like Dominic, who is here, like from from Switzerland.

What we do is usually, especially with the first events, we take the money that we earn through the ticket sales before the conference to already pay bills like flights, hotel, anything that has to be paid upfront for this conference. And if no one buys a ticket, there’s no money with that. So before the pandemic, that wasn’t such a big problem for me because my event ran so well that I had built a little buffer like I had a bit of money on my bank account so that I could always like prepaid the next conference from the one before. But after the pandemic, that got a problem again. And people totally changed in the way they buy their tickets nowadays beforehand, roughly 14, 15, 2014 and 15.

I was sold out like two months in advance and had 200 people on the waiting list. And this is a great thing to have, right? Because you know, this event is going to be full, which is always great for the atmosphere. But also you had the money to pay like the bills for for again, for flights and anything that you have to put into the hotel again already. And if that doesn’t happen, it makes you insecure. And like the questions of will I be able to pay all my bills?

And it’s something, especially as a small team or an individual that you don’t need because that blocks you from the actual things from the content and the stuff that is enjoyable for the attendees. So if you constantly think about like, will I be able to pay all my bills? It is completely a nightmare to organise a conference with this in your head all the time. And I’ve seen this year, like many events had been canceled. They were announced. Tickets were on sale. And after a while, people said, like, we need to cancel it because they weren’t sure of the poker game if they would win. Right. So they have sold 200 tickets, but that would just the ball like cover the base cost. But, you know, after the event, it comes in a lot of costs as well. Like the venue has to be paid. The technicians have to be paid. The tech that you rent has to be paid.

Well, and if you don’t sell more than the 200 tickets in this case, you just cannot afford it. And if you then like have to pay with your private money and maybe don’t have the money, that’s not what an independent organiser really, really needs.

So I can only ask people that that know the event industry and they go to smaller events. If you could buy your tickets early or convince your boss to get the ticket early, don’t wait till the last minute because it’s really, really stressful for anyone who puts up an event no matter how small or big it is. But if they if they organise a passionate out of their passion and they really like into it, it’s so unenjoying. So it’s like honestly, honestly, so stressful to to to organise an event with the money thing in the head. Because, you know, it’s not that those people want to get rich anyways. They don’t do it like to get super rich because you don’t get rich with this. But at least you want to make sure, A, I want to pay on my bills and B, well, maybe a small profit would be nice to financially reward yourself for like running those conferences. Yeah.

[Kendall] And thank you for that because I think it’s really valuable for people to know that. And with independent community events and smaller festivals and really, you know, you’re owning all of this, you know, and it’s not a it’s not a company sponsored conference, things like that. Yesterday in your presentation, you ended with giving some examples of other independent conferences that take place across Europe. And I just wanted for anyone listening, how what advice would you give for searching for independent festivals or conferences or more niche meetups so that people can support people who are doing what you’re doing as well and take part of a more intimate or niche kind of setting?

[Marc] For meetups, one advice I can give the companies because oftentimes meetups evolve around tools or software. So it would be great if they if the actual producer of those tools or like the owner of those things would have a platform to to advertise those meetups. That would be wonderful.

And for anyone who searches like out of the blue, there’s things like design calendar for design events, for example, or it’s like neon moray is done by Thomas Dam in the Netherlands. And they collect all those events and they they’re doing a really good job in having a calendar, a calendar where you where you can actually look into topics. Is that something for me? And they can look into, well, what kind of price range is this event? Because sometimes that also matters, right? You cannot afford an event somewhere for four thousand dollars or something to go to like Los Angeles or like whatever. But you can afford someone some event that’s hundred fifty euros or like three hundred euros. And so you can really sort all this and these tools. And it’s quite nice to do.

[Kendall] Well, that’s really nice. And I’ll put that in the show notes. And I’ll also put beyond tell around and all of that where people can find you. And my last question is, what has been your experience at T three con this year? You were a speaker. You’ve attended. Will you be at the awards tonight as well? OK. So what has been your experience so far? And yeah, what’s your impression?

[Marc] I mean, as T-3 is also one of my partners for this year’s events of beyond. And I thought to myself when I got asked, like, do you think we would be a good partner? I saw like a TYPO3 is not the topic that’s going to be like on stage in my event.

But as soon as I met the people running this and as soon as I understood that they understood how valuable those community events are, no matter if they are TYPO3 or even even because they are not TYPO3 related, because, you know, if you always preach to the people that know you already, what’s the sense? So they did a clever job and they also understood usually partners of my events get a briefing that tells them not to do their trade fair booth, not to go like in a suit, sit behind their laptops on a table, you know, like, because I know my audience. They want to be like connected, entertained in a way, you know, like they want to have something where you can talk about. Like I had one company once have a chocolate configurator. So you could find out like which kind of chocolate are you. So and you would get a chocolate at this because they would measure your body size. Whatever. I don’t know how exactly this worked again. They took a photo and asked you some questions. And then I was like, conflict chocolate. So I got a conflict chocolate afterwards.

That’s great stuff. And I think the people from TYPO3 understood this and they made a great job in running their booth. It was well attended. It was well received. I got feedback, good feedback from them for them. And then coming to the event, I thought myself to myself like, well, I don’t work with TYPO3, to be honest. I know what it is. And I had a look back when I was still was developing websites.

But nowadays I run a conference. So it’s a bit exotic, but I speak there on station. Then I said to myself, wait a minute. You run an event that’s called beyond teller and you know, so please do the same. Like your your topic is exotic. But who knows? Maybe they want to other person will be inspired and understands or has a different view on the stuff that organisers like me do. So yeah.

[Kendall] Well, I found your talk to be very inspiring. Again, very in line with what we do at TYPO3 and the events here are so special and so many familiar faces. So it was very nice to meet you. I appreciate you coming to talk with me. And also I hope to be at beyond tellerrand next year. I wasn’t there this year. I live in Berlin, but I will hopefully attend next year. So thank you so much.

[Marc] Thank you.

[Kendall] So that was the interview with Marc Thiele at T3Con this year. And I hope that everyone enjoyed this special episode and conversation with him. A big thank you to Marc for carving out some time to speak with me at the conference. I know it was really busy. There were a lot of things going on. And I hope anyone listening, you know, has a greater understanding and yeah, appreciation for all that goes into the planning of independent events. And yeah, realises why they matter. And especially as they pertain to TYPO3. So I hope you enjoyed the episode.

[Tom] To wrap up, when will I see you next?

[Tom] I believe I’ll see you at the marketing sprint in Düsseldorf in February. Yes.

[Kendall] So we have the marketing sprint coming up and there’s still time to register. So we’ll put the link in the show notes if you’re interested in coming to the marketing sprint in February, kicking off the new year strong already with lots of travel camps, conferences. So everything is back in full swing.

[Tom] Now we’ve had, haven’t had confirmation yet, but at the time of recording, we believe that Daniel has landed in Florida and that he is safe. So I think next month we’ll see if we can persuade him to come onto the show and tell us a little bit about what he’s been doing at the CMS kickoff conference with the Janis Boyer in Florida as well. So I think it’d be quite nice to see, see what he’s been up to. And I think it’s on everyone’s mind in the entire community. I think we’re all wondering and worrying whether he got sunburned as well. So we need to find out as soon as we can when he comes back if he’s safe and suitably tanned. So yeah, that’s something to look forward to next month.

[Kendall] That’s the burning question on all of our minds. And also, as an American, of course, I’m dying to know Daniel’s impressions of the US. I see he’s already had some American beer and an American burger. So, you know, you basically said it all at that point.

[Tom] We should have we should have weighed him before he left.

[Kendall] Yeah exactly.

[Tom] And weight him when he came back. Could we say that? Yeah, we’re gonna say okay, we should have done that. But until February, I will see you then and take care.

[Kendall] See you next month.

[Tom] I’ll schedule the message to go out in the morning or something.

[Kendall] Okay.

[Tom] Yeah, it’d be alright.

[Kendall] Cool.

[Tom] Wicked.

[Kendall] Alright.

[Tom] Okay. Thanks Tom. Bye.

[Kendall] Bye.